Big Jim's thoughts on Cap and Trade.

[Mike Davis]

I found this at Tom Nelson:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-james-h...28597.html
"It didn't take long for the counterfeit climate bill known as Waxman-Markey to push back against President Obama's agenda"
Brother Al just wants us to feel better about ourselves by sending him money and he will absolve us of our sins. I think the term is indulgences

[Sunsettommy]

Quote:The important point is that other nations are unlikely to make real concessions on emissions if the United States is not addressing the climate matter seriously.

False!

America has already improved their emission quality and reduced CO2 emissions with new improvements in existing technology.

Quote:Science has exposed the climate threat and revealed this inconvenient truth: If we burn even half of Earth's remaining fossil fuels we will destroy the planet as humanity knows it. The added emissions of heat-trapping carbon dioxide will set our Earth irreversibly onto a course toward an ice-free state, a course that will initiate a chain reaction of irreversible and catastrophic climate changes.

Heat trapping CO2?

This is absurd since the very nature of the molecule makes it impossible.He has been going at this bogus claim for over 20 years now,and absolutely no sign of the apocalypse is visible.

Quote:The concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere now stands at 387 parts per million, the highest level in 600,000 years and more than 100 ppm higher than the amount at the dawn of the Industrial Revolution.

Yawn....

Surely he is aware of the mathematical logarithmic effect of CO2.Most of the supposed warming effect took place in the first 50 ppmv.

Quote:Burning just the oil and gas sitting in known fields will drive atmospheric CO2 well over 400 ppm and ignite a devil's cauldron of melted icecaps, bubbling permafrost, and combustible forests from which there will be no turning back. But if we cut off the largest source of carbon dioxide, coal, we have a chance to bring CO2 back to 350 ppm and still lower through agricultural and forestry practices that increase carbon storage in trees and soil.

This is really bad nonsense because there was an ice age right in the middle of a 4,000 ppmv atmosphere a few hundred million years ago.

Then it was supposedly about 180 ppmv at the end of the last glacial peak and rose a whopping 100 ppmv over 10,000 years time,while the temperature increased by around 16 degree F. Yet we see another 100+ ppmv increase and only about .5 degree increase in the same time frame.Now it is cooling and the sea level changes has flattened out.

He is so easily shaken by a little CO2,that I think he needs to live in an oxygen tent to enrich is brain.

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False!

America has already improved their emission quality and reduced CO2 emissions with new improvements in existing technology.
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At a better rate than the EU who signed onto Kyoto. Too funny. Just shows it is not really about emissions.

[Mike Davis]

It never was about emissions.
This from Brother Al:
Former Vice President Al Gore declared that the Congressional climate bill will help bring about “global governance.”

This was at Moreno's site Climatedepot.

[Sunsettommy]

It is about CONTROL!

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It is about CONTROL!


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Amen.