Hello visitors and members,

I am your forum Administrator Sunsettommy,who has been into discussions about Global Warming for many years,about 20 years at least.I have always been skeptical of the claims put fourth by Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) believers.I can not accept the idea that a trace gas with minimal IR absorption range can cause so much havoc believed by a small group of AGW believers.That is why I am here to help add to the fight against the irrational claims put fourth by AGW believers.I hope many of you will join us here to add to the fight as we need all the help we can get.

I am married with two daughters and work in Irrigation Maintenance in many city parks,about 135 acres of irrigated area with another 117 acres more coming!  :o

I live in Eastern Washington State where it is HOT AND dry during the summer.

Please join me in the fight against the AGW scam.

Hello All,
I am Derek a factory worker from Manchester, England.
I originally became interested in all things climate when Sir David Attenborough plugged the distributed computing for
the BBC climate change modeling arm of the Climate Predictions Dot Net. way back in the late 1990s.

I knew nothing about using computers, or posting on forums, and little more about climate.
I have learnt a bit about some of them since...
Asking questions, however daft or simple they seem to you is the way to go, so please ask away.
(Trust me I have asked dafter questions already, ie in CPDN I asked Errr are clouds a positive or negative forcing,
I believe the ensuing "debate" is still going.. If not, it should still be....)
I hope to help anyone interested in any subject I can here, and hopefully with a bit of humour along the way.
I know climate science really is not funny or a subject to be taken lightly, but,
a little bit of a sugar does help the medicine go down.

Talking of asking questions let us be honest with ourselves, computers can be damned fustrating things.
Most everyone I know who owns a computer has at some time or other been very close (one or two actually have...)
to throwing the damned thing out of the nearest window, or taking a sledgehammer to it.
DON'T, just ask a question in the appropriate section here.

Lastly for now, many, many people on both "sides" of the debate, or discussion have
never considered the difference between discussion and debate.
Although it is a subtle difference at first appearance there is in reality a massive difference.
Politicians and people of the same ilke debate. Debate is where two or more opposing "sides" try to defeat the other side / s.
By it's very nature debate is both negative and obstructive.
Discussion should be the exchange of ideas relating to a subject with the aim of
improving both knowledge and understanding of all involved.

In short, in my opinion,
Discussion is the positive exchange of ideas aimed at improving both knowledge and understanding (open minded),
debate is the intensional obstruction of opposing ideas and knowledge (consensus building).

I hope here to be able to discuss many new and "old" ideas with good humour amongst many, many faces, both new and old.

Hi -

I'm really JohnH.  Don't quite remember why I've been using "JohnWho" as a screen name.  Might have been because JohnWhat, JohnWhere, JohnWhen and JohnWhy were already in use. 

Anyway, I'm a US Navy retiree living in the Tampa Bay area of Florida enjoying breathing in the Florida air and breathing out CO2.

I have been a board Admin on two other boards and a Moderator on a few over the years and I do get a kick out of seeing and learning the different capabilities of the various BBS software.

I am, as I'm sure many of you are, very disturbed over the vast amount of miss-information regarding what causes Climate Change of any form and at what level we humans, if we are at all, affecting Climate Change. 

Beyond that, I'm mostly here to learn.

JohnH your surname isn't Holdren perchance.. :o

Apologies, that is a a bad taste joke.

[quote author=Derek link=topic=11.msg195#msg195 date=1247352158]
JohnH your sir name isn't Holdren perchance.. :o
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He posts on CS so you should know his name! LOL.

[quote author=Derek link=topic=11.msg195#msg195 date=1247352158]
JohnH your sir name isn't Holdren perchance.. :o
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Methinks it is not.

I was joking, and thank you scpg02 I had not made that connection, but now I have.

Are you scpg02 going to enter into the spirit of this thread by answering "Who am I?"

[quote author=Derek link=topic=11.msg200#msg200 date=1247352623]
I was joking, and thank you scpg02 I had not made that connection, but now I have.

Are you scpg02 going to enter into the spirit of this thread by answering "Who am I?"
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I'm farmfriend. Everybody knows farmfriend. LOL

Are you sure the name is not "Duck"ed re Quest.. ;D

Maggie:
Is that the new name for the Farmers daughter. 8)

I am retired from communiations ( Phone man). I now live on a tree farm in East Tennessee and the back of my property overlooks Norris Lake. When I was younger I had teachers that got me interested in earth sciences and history so I continued to follow those and continue to learn/ read. Because I was involved in communications and was a trouble shooter I had little time for internet unless it was the connection part of it. I started connecting when I retired and got satellite service here about 2.5 years ago. I read something about Brother Al's movie I just thought it was a conspiracy theory that had been going around about how man was causeing harm to the earth. I had talked to enviormentalists and researchers at University of Nevada Las Vegas and the Desert Research Institute. In hindsight I see they must have been shakeing thier heads after talking to me because I let it be known then that man is not more powerful than nature and natute will fend for herself. She sometimes takes the time to show us who is boss here on earth.
This gives me something to keep my mind active when I am not strolling through the forrest on and around my property.

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Maggie:
Is that the new name for the Farmers daughter. 8)

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LOL sort of. It is the internet handle I chose when I was a lobbyist for the California State Grange, an agricultural organization. I still use it on one forum but have abandoned it everywhere else. Now I use scpg02 which stands for Sacramento County Pomona Grange #2. I needed something I would remember and at the time I was master of that Grange.

Founded in 1867, the Grange is the oldest general farm and public policy organization in the United States. The National Grange Hall is the only privately owned building in the White House complex. The California State Grange was founded in 1873 and my Pomona Grange was founded in 1886. The Grange, also known as the Patrons of Husbandry, created anti trust law to fight the rail roads and pushed for rural free mail delivery.

Well: In the 70s I was the range master at the Desert Sportsmans Rifle and pistol club. Somehow I do not think they are similar. In the 1700s some of my ansestors settled here in East Tenn. about the time of the revolutionary war or just after.

I have been a welder/fabricator for 25 years now.  Married with three children.  Two boys 20 and 12.  One daughter 4.  My biggest secret is I have applied for a job with a company that make wind turbines.  Hey, its the best gig in town so I am going to try to get it.  I'll have a green job so I will be better than all of you.  ;D

I might take this time to explain my avatar.  I am a huge Colorado Avalanche fan.  The foot is from the patch on the shoulder of their jersey.  The 5 was worn by a defenseman that I greatly admired Alexei Gusarov.  His nickname was Goose.  Hence, Goose5. 

[quote author=Goose5 link=topic=11.msg252#msg252 date=1247373074]
Two boys 20 and 12.  One daughter 4. 
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Now that is an interesting age gap.

[quote author=Goose5 link=topic=11.msg252#msg252 date=1247373074]
I have been a welder/fabricator for 25 years now.  
My biggest secret is I have applied for a job with a company that make wind turbines.  
I'll have a green job so I will be better than all of you.  ;D
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Question..
Will it get you through to retirement though. ?
Joke..
Oh, and please do not claim in the near future that the cooling the globe will probably be experiencing is due to
all your hard work building wind turbines..  ;D
I'm sure you will beaten to that by the politicans anyway.. :

Goose:
I realized what is causeing global warming. It is the waste heat from welding. with the economic downturn less welding has occured therefore the globe is cooling. The runaway warming only started after welding became a majof factor in construction! ;D

[quote author=Mike Davis link=topic=11.msg267#msg267 date=1247403926]
Goose:
I realized what is causeing global warming. It is the waste heat from welding. with the economic downturn less welding has occured therefore the globe is cooling. The runaway warming only started after welding became a majof factor in construction! ;D
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That is why he is now into Wind Turbines,to atone for his sins,for causing GW through nefarious welding activities!

You have been goosed!

Non traditional student who returned to college, Western Carolina University,  after a very long absence, to study Environmental Science.  I am up against a lot of Al Gore worshipers.  I have to stay informed.

Along with my interest in learning about real climate science, I have a long time interest in alternate energy, solar wind, and micro hydro, along with fuel cells, alternate methods of hydrogen production, and photosynthesis.

I just landed an internship through U.S. Department of Energy, at Pacific Northwest National Laboratory,  Sequim, Washington,  Marine Sciences Laboratory, doing work on microalgae for biofuels. 

My permanent home is the Great Smoky Mountains, in a tiny home town, where the corn made into alcohol is not used for fuel but for medicinal purposes.

Ted E. Abear

Ted:
I live due north of the Smokies on Norris lake  where Clinch River runs under 25E. It is good to have anoter Mountain person at the site. My cousin was a corn man in his early years and my dads father was involved in locating the refineries ( STILLS) and disableing them.

[quote author=scpg02 link=topic=11.msg253#msg253 date=1247373414]
[quote author=Goose5 link=topic=11.msg252#msg252 date=1247373074]
Two boys 20 and 12.  One daughter 4. 
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Now that is an interesting age gap.

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What can I say I don't do anything in a conventional manner.  I might point out that the four year old was the only planned event.